How do we fix this?

Discussion in 'PS2 Main' started by Nraged, May 20, 2013.

How do we fix this?

Discussion in 'PS2 Main' started by Nraged, May 20, 2013.

  1. Nraged

    Nraged I fly things

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    In TS yesterday while I was leading the platoon:


    "Hey guys lets gather up the armor on platoon waypoint!"
    few min later: "Hi Ajax, its still just you and me bud!" lol

    "Lets all gather up in armor on the bottom of the Bio Lab and push North"
    "Oh Hai Vonic, glad to see you! so its just the two of us huh..."

    "Hey guys, lets MAX crush the gen room!"
    "I count 1,2,3,4 MAXes! awesome! Lets rape shit!"

    Those were the negatives, the positive things that happened were:
    Awesome, Awesome farm at Hvar, great armor push out of Hvar and amazing job at Allatum.
    I would love to see our members react faster when it comes down to gathering up in random places when there is a need for it. Especially in armor. Most of the time I've seen pugs follow orders better than our own members.
    You know why? Because they are afraid that they will get kicked out of a platoon while our own members know that its not gonna happen. I mean we don't want to piss off our own and I myself sometimes cant make it to the waypoint on time considering the AFKs, my kids fighting, phone ringing and stuff like that.
    I'm not trying to start any drama or anything, I would much rather do something about it.

    Things do happen and RL does come first, but when we have 10-20 NNG members in a platoon and only 4 MAXes show up for the MAX crush.... I dunno... what do you guys think?

    I don't mind helping out with leading the platoons when there is no one else and I try to help out because I don't want to see our platoon disbanned but we just need to step it up a notch.
     
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  2. Claark

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    Having been in your seat before,I ran a 300 player WoW hardcore rading guild for a good 4 years, I see your frustration and I think this is an easy fix...We simply need be more diligent about distinguishing which type of platoon we're running....

    We run "Ops".
    We have Casual Platoons.
    We have recruitment platoons.

    While on OPERATIONS this is no question. Follow orders, be where were supposed to be or get removed from the platoon.

    In CASUAL PLATOONS, this is our social time, time to get to know NNG members, time to practice those skills we want to practice, and well...have fun and enjoy the game. And it should stay just like that....casual.

    In recruitment platoons, its a nice mix of the two, open to the public, so we SHOULD be showing recruits what NNG is all about. It's show-off time. We have our air squad, and our armor squad, and our infantry squads. It's flex muscle time when we are recruiting. That's the point right? To advertise and gain recruits. And if you aren't contributing...then you need to go form a CASUAL PLATOON

    As members, we need to recognize the difference between the 3 and accept the responsibility that we signed up for, when we joined NNG, and do what we are supposed to do. And as squad and platoon leaders, we need to understand that not every player is going to run ops every time they are online. And when situations like this arise, simply ask the casual players to form a casual platoon, or if you're in a casual platoon form an ops group. It's ok, of we have more than one platoon and they aren't all full. That's why we have all those damn Teamspeak channels right?

    And above all else, don't get frustrated if you're in an ops platoon and you're asked to leave, or vice versa, don't get frustrated if you want to run ops and everyone wants to fuck off and have fun. At the end of the day....its a game.
     
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  3. BonScott

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    The following recommendations are for unofficial operations though some may apply to official operations:
    • Remove those, members included, not following platoon leader directions. If they want to do there own thing that's cool, but as platoon leader you need an accurate count to make an informed decision as to where to attack/defend next. AFK'ers feel free to rejoin when you get back, nothing personal, again just getting an accurate count.
    • Make your intentions known early enough that everyone can sort out who will be doing what. Obviously you want the best classes/armor being fielded that the platoon member can bring to the table. Don't have an upgraded Magrider? Offer to gun for one in platoon chat, not TS. Just have a basic max unit but your engineer/medic/heavy is pretty well certed, offer that in platoon chat.
    • If hardly anyone is following orders, make it a Free for all platoon. Anyone wanting to run together, group them up in the squad(s) and just worry about setting squad way points and directions. Switch back when more and more people want a more structured operations platoon.
    • Most issues can be worked out through proper communication, but it's a 2 way street, members need to communicate to the platoon/squad leader their intentions/abilities/vehicles as well.
     
  4. lvloss

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    This is where I think we should either a set schedule to discern those times and make it viewable on the front page. Or we can all adopt a protocol for when we name our platoons we put what kind of platoon it is, "OPS, CAS, REC" etc. E.G "NNG CHARLIE CAS".

    I agree with Nraged's comment and I too noticed the lack of squad cohesion yesterday but I would also like to say that things were a bit messed up due to TS being down, and the site being down which I feel caused a bit of confusion. It is something that we have to get better at especially if we are to remain one of the top outfits.

    One thing I noticed when Nraged called for the MAX crash at Allatum was that TEST and other outfits waited for us to be ready and waited for our go. That IMO says things about NNG in itself. I think it says 2 things both good and bad. 1) (good) We are respected among the outfits in the community and are influential. and 2) (bad) We should not be the last outfit to organize our MAX Crash. We should be the first outfit.

    Squad Cohesion is going to make or break us IMO.

    EDIT:
    Another Idea is that whenever we head back to WG use this time to kick members from the PL that aren't following orders. Recall back to WG is a pretty good litmus test IMO.
     
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  5. Ajax

    Ajax I piss on Spark Plugs

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    Well Nraged hit the nail on the head.
    I stayed quiet and watched things last night, I played the part of the grunt just taking orders, and killing stuff. BUT !!!!! I also sat back and observed... I wont call out names, but I will say I am disappointed in a LOT of you last night. Nraged gave several orders to go here, pull armor, recall to this point, and over half of you did not listen. It was disgusting!!!
    Shame on me for not stepping up and help Nraged out, but I couldn't believe how poorly people followed orders.
    This is a practice that cannot continue, if you are not going to follow waypoints, or pull a vehicle like your platoon lead asks.. Leave the platoon, or be removed. This is something I will be enforcing. As good as a fighting force you all are (and I seriously believe you are the best) you ought to be ashamed because you were shown up by the pugs that aren't in outfits and join us regularly. Those guys are the ones who followed the orders, the Waypoints and pulled the armor.
    Now Im not saying all of you behaved like this but a lot did.
    We sit and wonder why there is such silence when a Platoon leader needs to give up the leadership to log off. This is one of the main reasons. Its why I hate leading...
    Its time to step it up guys...
     
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  6. Phaedo

    Phaedo The Weeaboo Hunter

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    Yeah, I also believe this is quite an irritation, how some people believe "Wull we're not running serious ops" is a liable excuse to do whatever the f*** they want while just following the PL waypoint. I've had enough of this. It will change. If people are not listening to orders you WILL be called out by name in TS and you WILL listen. A max crash should take about 30-45 seconds to form and there should be enough so as the enemy goes "HOLY SHIT NNG MAX CRASH" instead of "lol max crash? more like max FAIL"

    I used to just sit back but, more recently, have and will continue be WAY more strict on this rule regardless of what we're doing because it is detrimental to our platoon and outfit if we don't work as a team. I'm not "being a bad guy" or "being mean". Just because we're not doing organized ops does not mean that we shouldn't be organized.

    I have had enough. I will be talking to the officers tonight at our meeting about this, because it is 110% ridiculous. And If all goes according to plan then you will all notice a massive drop in tolerance for these offenses.

    Consider this a fair warning to everyone.
     
  7. Jaamaw

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    I am taking this thread very seriously and reading it over entirely.
     
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  8. Claark

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    I think this is a dangerous approach, and think you're going to find a massive drop in ATTENDANCE durring non OP playtimes. You cant expect people to do whatever they are "ordered" all day all the time. I know yesterday was frustrating, and I've seen this behavior in our outfit many times, but there's a time and a place...on BOTH ends of the spectrum....I really hope you guys see that, because that's not what I'm hearing at least not in this thread.
     
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  9. Vernett

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    Here's my opinion: A leader will NEVER have 100% people following him. Only the best of the best can achieve 99.9% trough their own leadership. I you can't get as much people following you as you want then work on leadership or stop trying.

    I tried leading, nobody was following, therefor I took the blame like a man then stopped trying to lead and I DID NOT blame others as you get nowhere doing that.

    Anyway since when are we always taking things so serious ? Since when are we an army ?
     
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  10. Ajax

    Ajax I piss on Spark Plugs

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    Not that we are taking things too serious Vern, its like you said, when NNG members aren't following and pugs are, its pretty damned discouraging. Its almost a complete lack of respect for that leader who if he wasn't there in that position, there probably wouldn't be a platoon.
    Its annoying when people will sit there and say "OK, where to next"? You put up a waypoint and tell everyone where to go, and only 1/3 of the platoon goes there. You look at the map and 5 are at a bio lab, another 6 are at the area you just left, and 8 mare are spread out all over the map, hell and 2 are on another continent altogether.
    Platoon leaders step up to lead because people need that person to direct them, but when people don't listen, wheres the drive for that leader to want to continue leading?
    Not to bring up bad feelings between us, but remember when you and I had it out when you wanted to go somewhere and the platoon was going the other way?
    Im more impressed with you now, if you want to go where the platoon isn't going, you drop squad and go solo (or run with someone else) and I greatly respect you more for manning up and doing it that way, than taking up a spot of someone that wants to run with the platoon no matter where it goes.
    The issue is now, most of the platoon is running around not listening and taking up slots and the pugs are making them look bad because they are the ones listening.