How do we fix this?

Discussion in 'PS2 Main' started by Nraged, May 20, 2013.

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How do we fix this?

Discussion in 'PS2 Main' started by Nraged, May 20, 2013.

  1. Phaedo

    Phaedo The Weeaboo Hunter

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    Oh we see it. and we have seen it. Only every single approach we have tried to no avail. Yes this is dangerous. But people need to learn to LISTEN not to be "OOOOOOOOOOOOOOH Certs!!" because it is messing with the platoon structure and it is screwing the leaders because while we're trying to make the game fun for everyone in a platoon sized manner, catering to every single persons individual wants are hard to meet. Leaders try to find fights for everyone and keep everyone happy but when no one listens it is VERY discouraging to both the Platoon Leader, and their confidence in their abilities, and it reflects poorly to the other outfit and players in game.

    We are a F***ing AMAZING outfit and we can put multiple platoons to shame. But not when no one is listening. And not for nothing, but PlanetSide 2 is a teamwork based FPS and we need to start actually working as a team instead of 48 individuals fighting for the same goal. Shit needs to get done WHEN IT IS SAID THE FIRST TIME. Not 6 minutes later and w/ one squad listening.


    (all caps in this post are for emphasis purposes only. I'm not yelling.)
     
    Phaedo, May 20, 2013
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  2. Nraged

    Nraged I fly things

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    I have just spent 4 hours running with Nightmare platoon. I was simply amazed by how well their guys move around the map when ordered to do so. Not at our level when we do ops, but the response time is great. Everyone is right where they should be. People were actually using common sense.
    When I called for AA help at Scared Mesa, 2 AA Maxes instantly appeared on the pad, all I saw was purple tracers taking down the ESFs. Its just common sense. "Oh there is a bad guy trying to kill one of ours, lets not let that happen."
    Simple shit like this is what really makes a difference between getting and not getting the objective.
     
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  3. Claark

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    And while I agree, almost completely, what you're saying in a nutshell is, we schedule operations times. Regularly. And during those times, we do what's asked without question. Things like bail out of brand new libs, to get in on a max crash, then ditch the max suit to buy a sundy, which I've personally done more than once, But when were NOT in ops, we're still to respond without question? Let me ask you this:

    When are we SUPPOSED to earn certs. So we can outfit our vehicles, and kits? Certs are a HUGE part of the game and they better the outfit as a whole for when we do operations. We need the cert-farms just as much as we need the platoon structure. I'm not saying you're wrong. I'm just saying we need BOTH equally. If every time we log into PS2 and get in a platoon with the outfit, were required to drop everything and respond to emergencies like it's an ambulance service, It's not going to be a whole lot of fun for long.

    I feel your pain, its reason #1 I haven't stepped up to be a PL. I just wanna kill shit. My leading days are over. But I want to make sure we consider every PoV. (I'm good at playing devils advocate)

    (Don't take any of this as aggressive or with any emotion, it's simply mature healthy discussion.)
     
    Claark, May 20, 2013
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  4. Ellipson

    Ellipson Shoot Mans Get Certs

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    I'm new and everything, but my 2c; if I just have an hour to play and want to go park myself at a farm, I just don't join up with the NNG platoon. The PL can get an accurate count of who's going where, and I get to do my certfarm. I've been in for a few weeks and nobody's said anything when I decide to take off and lonewolf by myself like this; is there a reason you need to be in the platoon in order to cartfarm? There's a ton of channels available to be used as well if you want to be in TS.
     
    Ellipson, May 20, 2013
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  5. Phaedo

    Phaedo The Weeaboo Hunter

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    I'm all for getting certs bro, you're missing the point. We get in situations and fights where cert acquisition is not an issue but we when something needs to be done, 110% NEEDS TO BE DONE, and when 4 people respond because the other 44 people in the platoon are "too busy camping a doorway" and we loose the entire facility, its crossing a line.

    I'm not saying "24/7 EVERYONE LISTENS OR ELSE" I'm saying when something MUST BE DONE for what ever reason, let it be a MAX crash, or a sunderer line being pulled, people need to listen. The Platoon Leader knows what he or she is doing and has an idea and a tactic which will result in more certification points for everyone, Not just a few people camping the right spot.

    And as far as everyone's point of view goes, The Platoon Leaders do consider it, and I am considering it now. But there is a line. And when people start taking advantage of platoon commands, and people start disregarding orders because certs, then that line is being crossed. And it shows. People get angry in TS, people bail out of the platoon, people make angry posts on the forums and say things they will regret. and that's 100% avoidable.

    People don't step up to lead because of the simple fact: others do not listen and it is effecting everyone's play time.

    There are 2 choices.
    1. Disregard orders, lose the [insert defensible location here] and ultimately the facility, and get maybe an additional 10 certs.
    or
    2. Listen to orders, defend the [insert defensible location here] and continue the farm and earn WAAAAAYYY more than 10 certs

    I don't know about you, but I prefer the latter.
     
    Phaedo, May 20, 2013
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  6. Ajax

    Ajax I piss on Spark Plugs

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    I had just told Vernett I have the utmost respect for him for doing the exact same thing. And no one will say anything if you decide to drop to go certfarm elsewhere, its more of a matter of respect what than anything else.
    Thank you for doing it the right way!
     
    Ajax, May 20, 2013
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  7. Glitch

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    Speaking as a new guy...

    Personally I like having a direction. I don't mind redeploying to X with a new objective at Y. I WANT to be with my team.

    However I get confused occasionally. I don't now if it is me missing a command in teamspeak or if someone is moving the platoon way point with out saying anything. Yesterday I was at platoon way point fighting and died. While respawning I saw the point had moved one area over. While the clock was ticking down to spawn I heard someone say "If you are still fighting at XXX you're wrong, move to YYY"

    I felt bad as I was one of those that were wrong 5 seconds before, but I had no idea the orders had changed.

    Also am I doing something wrong? I hit redeploy and there is a 10 second count down. Then I have another 15 second count down before I can actually chose to spawn at the new point. I have what looks like a MINIMUM of 25 seconds before I can get somewhere and that doesn't count loading screen either so more like 30 seconds real time. I feel bad, like I am not doing good enough but not sure ho w to speed that up.
     
    Glitch, May 20, 2013
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  8. Kowlefe

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    I'm going to say this in a very simple way. If you are not PL, you listen to your PL. If you do not listen to your PL, you are causing nonsense. We are NoNonsenseGamers. We have our name for a reason. Do as you are told or do not join the platoon and do your own thing at that time.

    This same thing goes for our PLs. If you do not call an order clearly and a few times, you are causing nonsense. Also, if you do not give your men enough time to act and respond and you get angered over it... you get the drift.

    Both PL and the platoon need to work together to achieve success. The forty-two can not achieve victory on the shoulders of the one.
     
    Kowlefe, May 20, 2013
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  9. Phaedo

    Phaedo The Weeaboo Hunter

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    No you're not doing anything wrong, the minimum 30 second timer on a redeploy is known and we try to give everyone a 1-2 minute period where they redeploy and do whatever they were told to, preferably sooner rather than later. But once it goes past 2 minutes it can get sketchy because people start getting impatient. If you have to redeploy and you cannot click the respawn button RIGHT as someone says "NOW!" and you need that extra like 5-10 seconds that's totally okay
     
    Phaedo, May 20, 2013
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  10. Lavaflow

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    Something to keep in mind is that at times it may be difficult to differentiate between discussion of tactics and orders. Obviously, platoon chat is generally reserved for orders and I take it as such, but on teamspeak when there is discussion going on, that may be one source of confusion.
    I'm not saying this is a cause of what you're describing, but it's something to keep in mind. From what little I'm on it's pretty clear, but...


    /suicide is an option, it will immediately kill you, but give you a death. Officers should give sufficient time to move though. Generally, if you're on your way to a new target, you're fine.
     
    Lavaflow, May 20, 2013
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